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This programme deals with Sexual
Abuse, contains some strong language

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and contains scenes which some
viewers may find disturbing.

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Oh, he's on.

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Good.

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Oh, that's convenient.

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We're probably almost
exactly 12 hours away

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from meeting him
for the first time.

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- It'll be really real tomorrow.
- I know.

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Knowing that, like,
what happens tomorrow is

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essentially the end of his freedom,

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his life.

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All right. Good afternoon.

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I'm Greg Squire from
Homeland Security in Portland.

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And thank you in advance
for helping with this case.

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Particularly, I'd like to thank
our teams who are here from Brazil,

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Australia and Europe.

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Just really appreciate you guys
coming all this way to help.

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It's been a very long time coming -

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five, six years that Cassie
and I have gone through it.

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This is him today.

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Kind of easy to spot.

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But we have a couple other pictures
in the ops plan.

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He's going to be charged
with enterprise.

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And what that does is basically
highlight what he's been doing

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and what the 400,000 people on his
website are responsible for -

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the distribution of millions
of images and videos

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of child sexual abuse.

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I've been doing undercover
a long time

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and, trust me, these aren't just
run-of-the-mill paedophiles.

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They're some of the most advanced
criminals on the planet.

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This is the target's apartment,

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mostly relevant to the three
who are going to be inside.

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We're going to take him inside
almost immediately.

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If he has his backpack with him,
we'll take that into custody,

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same with the phone,

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but that's the exit there.

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Our three eyes in there will be
in comms with Cassie.

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Cassie's going to be online early.

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And if he decides to get online

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before he goes to his big
appointment, and Cassie will be able

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to engage, confirm
he's in the apartment,

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confirm he's online.

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So it's a big day for Quackers.

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There's a lot of foot traffic
out of this door.

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A lot of kids move
in and out of here.

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There's a lot of adults, families.

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So it's not just college kids here,

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it's a pretty good mix of people.

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Our three interior people
will cover here, here and here.

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He's going to have to walk past you.

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It's up to the three of you
how you want to do it.

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As soon as they see him and begin
to kind of get an indication

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what door he's going out,

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they're going to call us
and we'll hit it up over the radio.

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The central location
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and the few people who are with me.

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Getting into the building,
it's going to be just

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the apprehension team and my car.

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Team Five, check in, please.

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So we're going to roll up in
the building

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with maybe six to eight total.
No more than that.

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Let's get a quick radio check.

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Like, get to where your vehicles
are, get your gear on,

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whatever you're going to have
for tactical gear.

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Again, just to reiterate,
the primary objective here

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is server access.

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Any questions?

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Stand by. Target is moving.

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Hey. How you doing?

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How you doing, bud?

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Hey, Greg Squire
of Homeland Security.

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- All right. How are you?
- Good, buddy.

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Got to have a little chat with you,
all right?

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INAUDIBLE

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Step. I think he can do it.

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ALARM RINGS

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WOMAN SIGHS

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ALARM STOPS

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DOG WHINES

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OK.

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HE WHISTLES

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Come on.

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Good boy. Good boy.

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Bit of a morning routine
for the dog and I.

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Get out into the woods.

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Come on, let's go.

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There are no houses, no lights,

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very little cellphone coverage,
which is kind of a bonus.

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HE WHISTLES

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You know, the problem that we
work with never goes away.

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What do you see, huh?
What do you see?

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When I started my career,

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I didn't really realise

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how deep and dark
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BABY SQUEALS

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BABY LAUGHS

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In 2007, I was working
for the Postal Service.

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I had two kids at that point.

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My kids are the most
important thing to me.

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But I had spent seven years
delivering letters,

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and I was pretty much
at my wits' end at that point.

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I applied for Homeland Security.

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Basically, they said,
"Hey, you know,

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"you're going to be assigned
to the cyber group."

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And I said, "OK, great."
I was just ready to start working.

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Crimes against children was the bulk
of what we did in that group.

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And I didn't have... really have
any idea what world exactly

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I was walking into.

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Here! Good boy.

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Good boy! Yeah!

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Come here.

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The first video that I saw
that really opened my eyes

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to what child sexual abuse was,

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was in 2008.

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Yeah!

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So we moved in here

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when the kids
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like, maybe, five and two,
something to that effect.

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And it was just such
an amazing spot to get.

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We had a swimming pool,

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great big yard.

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And, you know, we would spend
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just letting the kids
run around out here.

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It was just a really nice
piece of land to have.

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I think it was a Sunday morning

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and the kids had been playing up on
the deck there by the windows.

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I got my work laptop

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and I had recently gotten
a whole folder,

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a whole... Basically, of results
from an email search warrant.

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That was when I saw the one email
from a suspect,

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and I noticed there
was an attachment.

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So I saw the attachment was a video.

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So once I clicked and opened
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I just saw a bedroom, basically.

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The camera kind of panned around
and there was a little girl in bed,

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like, in an adult bed, a large bed.

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a big picture book, kids' book,
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And then I could see an adult male

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coming into the... coming into focus.

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He started to read the book to her.

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And, like, for that,
for that 30 seconds

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it looked like something normal.

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And then he undresses her

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and then the abuse starts.

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And the girl just...

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It looked like her soul left,
watching it, watching it happen.

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And him...

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...I was ready to murder him.

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You know, like, just watching him do
this and watching her, like...

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...just endure it, you know?

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Like, that's what it looked like
to me.

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And, yeah, for that to go
on for so long,

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you know, I think it was probably
four full minutes of him raping her,

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um, it's a fucking long time.

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I mean, I had never seen anything
like that before.

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You know, now I have an unfortunate

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library of that stuff in my head,

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and so do all the other, you know,
folks that do it.

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But that was definitely
the first time.

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In a while it, like, takes from you,

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it also, it also gives.

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Like, you're not going to find
a better fuel

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to go hunt someone down than that.

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It doesn't get any more
passionate than that.

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Mm.

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Keep it small.

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You can always go back for seconds.

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I don't really like
diet-sensitive Peter.

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Yeah, I know.

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LAUGHTER
How about that?

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I think that's even, don't you?

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One, two, three, four, five. Yeah.

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Thank you.

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- Ooh-hoo!
- See? Small piece.

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When I first met Greg,
I thought he was very intense.

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Super high energy.

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Hilarious.

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Obviously, very dedicated.

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We just became... We became friends.

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Like, we really had the same passion
about the work.

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Why doesn't it want me to go that...

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I don't understand
what it wants me to do. It's weird.

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Have you been here before? If I told
you to drive home right now,

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- you wouldn't be able to make it.
- No.
- Not without GPS.
- Just saying.

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We were working all the time.

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It seemed like we were jumping
from one case to the next,

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focused on the trading
of child sexual abuse materials.

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Good thing is that you come out,
like, right in midtown...

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We had been doing all
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email cases and Facebook leads
and things like that.

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We would say,
"Oh, here's this screen name.

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"Let's ask the company
who it's registered to."

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Or, "Let's look at the IP addresses

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"that it's been accessing
this website."

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It was so easy for law enforcement
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that everybody was transitioning
over to the dark web.

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The first case that really took off
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was the Lucy investigation.

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In January of 2014,

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we discovered this series
of photos that,

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you know, was named Lucy,

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of the same girl
being sexually abused.

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In the images,
we could see light sockets,

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electrical outlets.

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So we knew it was most likely
a little girl here in the US.

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We had, you know, enough reason
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that she was actively being abused,

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and her pictures were being
distributed across the dark web.

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As we gathered more,

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we learned that she had been abused
from a younger age.

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You know, this girl was probably
seven years old in the beginning,

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and we think she's almost
12 years old now.

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She was being raped by this man,
maybe up to five years.

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I mean, it really was...

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It kind of took us back a breath.

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The dark web is built
to hide your identity,

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to anonymise your traffic.

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There's no traces
of any information that say,

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well, this is where this person
came from.

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So, literally, all we had
with this Lucy case

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was the images
that we were staring at.

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But this offender was very good
at covering their tracks.

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You know, consciously cropping out
or altering images

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to remove specific things
and be able to hinder our progress.

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For, like, distribution
or definitely production,

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we don't have that. We won't have
that until we get back to the lab

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and do a deeper dive.

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We were working this every day
for six, seven, eight months.

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We could communicate
all through the morning,

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all through the night.

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DOG BARKS

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In the photos, like all photos,
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there's things in the background.

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You know, we were looking for clues.

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We watched Lucy grow up, basically,

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in an environment of abuse.
Like, of systematic abuse.

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I mean, it really took us aback,

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especially, you know, Pete and I,
you know, having kids that age.

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About the eighth month
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we were able to identify
a piece of furniture in the photos.

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That piece of furniture
had far more limited sales

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than other items that
we had already identified.

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We were trying to make contact
with manufacturers

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and distributors and say,
"Help us out with this.

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"You know, this furniture set,

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"can you give us a customer list?"

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We got a list of about 40,000 people

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that had purchased the set.

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At that point in the investigation

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we're looking at 29 states
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I mean, you're talking about
tens of thousands of addresses,

253
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and that's a very,
very daunting task.

254
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It was a tough time for the team.

255
00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,919
Nine months is a long time
to look for somebody.

256
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And as we're doing an investigation,

257
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she's still being abused.

258
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There's victims
that we have never identified.

259
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But you can't give up.

260
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If we're not going to do it,
who's going to do it?

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Eventually, you're going to get
something that will get you there.

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TRAFFIC DIN

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I can remember clear as day,

264
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we were talking about,
you know, he's been very careful

265
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and he's taking things out
of the pictures that,

266
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you know, he feels would help
identify the girl and locate her

267
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and everything else.

268
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,960
But the question
at that point was...

269
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...like, what... what
can't you change?

270
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Clothing can change.

271
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Bedding can change.

272
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All these things can change.

273
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But is there something
that can't change?

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And that's how we came
to look at the bricks.

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How often do you see
an exposed brick wall

276
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inside of a child's bedroom?

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So I started just googling bricks,

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and it wasn't too many searches
that I found

279
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the Brick Industry Association.

280
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So I called. There was
a number on there, in Virginia.

281
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And I said, "Hey, my name's
Greg Squire.

282
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"I work for the Homeland Security
and, you know,

283
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"we're working a case
of a missing girl."

284
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,959
And the woman on the phone
was awesome.

285
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She was like,
"How can the brick industry help?"

286
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I said, "Well, I have a picture.

287
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"I want to know if somebody can tell
me something about these bricks."

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She said, "We have brick experts
all over the country.

289
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"We can share it
with our distribution list."

290
00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,079
And we were wrapping
things up for the day,

291
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,239
and I don't think
I was even at the car

292
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before I started getting emails.

293
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And I think we all kind of felt
like that rush of adrenaline

294
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was that, all of a sudden,

295
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maybe something could come of this.

296
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I work for the Acme Brick Company.

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I've been in sales since '81.

298
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Over the years, I would say
I've sold in excess of

299
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,800
300 specific colours and sizes
and styles of bricks.

300
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,999
That day, I was sitting at my desk
doing my normal, probably paperwork

301
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,119
or a report or something
for corporate,

302
00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,199
and it popped up in my inbox.

303
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,960
And I read the email and I knew
exactly what the brick was.

304
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,279
I noticed that the brick
was a very pink cast brick,

305
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,079
and it had a little bit
of a charcoal overlay on it.

306
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,079
It was a modular eight-inch brick
and it was square-edged.

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Immediately made the brick
pop out to me

308
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,399
that it was a Flaming Alamo.

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We made that brick
from the late '60s

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through about the middle part
of the '80s.

311
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And I had sold millions
of brick from that plant.

312
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So I emailed Agent Squire.

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And I'm thinking, this is great.

314
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And so in my mind, I'm going,

315
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,239
well, you know, would you have sales
records of something like that?

316
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,439
He's like, we've been selling
this brick since the '70s,

317
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,279
and it's all just a pile of notes,
and stuff like that.

318
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,559
And I was like, shit!

319
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And it kind of took
the steam out of me a little bit.

320
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,639
And he says,
I think he called me son,

321
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,999
he says,
"Hey, you know what bricks are?"

322
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And I'm like,

323
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"You got me, sir, I don't know."

324
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,000
He goes, "Bricks are heavy."

325
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,079
What I explained to Greg
was that brick are heavy

326
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,599
and we can only haul
about 10,000 to a truck,

327
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,639
so we're not transporting bricks
typically all the way

328
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,840
across the country.

329
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,879
So don't be looking way, way out.

330
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,800
You need to be looking within
this smaller area.

331
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,200
He says that brick didn't travel
50 miles out of this plant.

332
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,960
What... Like, I was so excited
at that point.

333
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,319
They were looking
in 29 different states,

334
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,439
and it was a needle in a haystack.

335
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,239
That narrowed it down
to possibly one state, one city.

336
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,639
We have an extremely small area
to look in now.

337
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,959
We were able to take the list
from the furniture manufacturer

338
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,159
and just draw a radius around
this brick factory

339
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,600
and see who falls in that radius.

340
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,639
He whittled down this
10,000-plus list

341
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,559
to probably 40, 50 people.

342
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,439
So we thought we had
a fairly good shot

343
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,159
if we looked through social media

344
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,679
that somebody on that list
might have a picture of Lucy

345
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,279
on their page.

346
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,279
And probably by 9am,

347
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,039
we were flipping through
social media pages

348
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,440
and there was Lucy
right in front of us.

349
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,240
Couldn't fucking believe it.

350
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,439
Nine months of looking

351
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,440
and we're sitting there staring at
her, and we all looked and said...

352
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,919
...100%, this is her.

353
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,160
100%.

354
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,959
We literally started with a picture

355
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,919
that could have started anywhere
in the world,

356
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,039
and then we narrowed it down
to one house.

357
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,280
That was a good feeling.

358
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,119
They had also figured out that
living in the house was

359
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,519
the mother's boyfriend,

360
00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,519
and that that was a convicted
sex offender living there.

361
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,799
I mean, at that point,
it's 10am or 11am

362
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,839
and our first thought was,

363
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,999
how do we get there
before she's home from school

364
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,679
and eliminate the chance of him
having access to her

365
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,959
even one more time?

366
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,719
And by four o'clock, our whole team
was in that house,

367
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,799
safeguarded Lucy,

368
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,679
had started the interview process,

369
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,239
and by five o'clock,

370
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,600
the suspect was in custody.

371
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,959
I got an email saying,
"We found her.

372
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,760
"This little girl now is safe
and out of harm's way."

373
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,079
My wife and I have been foster
parents for over 20 years.

374
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,199
We've had over 150 different
children in our home.

375
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,839
We've adopted three.

376
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,199
So, doing that over those years,
we had a lot of children

377
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,239
in our home that were abused,
that were neglected,

378
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,719
both physical and sexually abused,

379
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,559
and it leaves a mark on you.

380
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,960
It leaves a mark on your psyche
that, that stays with you.

381
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,639
What they do day in and day out,
and what they see is a magnification

382
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,640
of hundreds of times of what
I've seen or had to deal with.

383
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,840
So I can't imagine what they have
to take home with them at night.

384
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,599
After the Lucy investigation,

385
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,719
Pete and I really began to focus
and become dedicated

386
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,800
to dark web activity.

387
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,800
The use of the dark web
just expanded, just exploded.

388
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,039
The number of users
and the number of outlets

389
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,960
were just, dramatic increase.

390
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,560
That was our first glimpse of them
creating forum-based websites.

391
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,079
Those sites just look like
a regular forum of people

392
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,199
who all have a shared interest.

393
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,919
People can belong
to woodworking forums

394
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,319
and gun forums and car forums.

395
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,039
The structure is exactly the same,

396
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,680
but for the content.

397
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,879
They trade child abuse material

398
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,480
all through the day
and all through the night.

399
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,879
Each site kind of
has their own niche.

400
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,279
So this might be only boys,
this might be only girls,

401
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,160
or only hardcore.

402
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,239
You build a community around it
and you quickly find out

403
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,999
that there aren't just ones
and twos of guys interested in this,

404
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,039
but there's thousands.

405
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,719
And it just becomes
a breeding ground

406
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,399
for who can be the more
shocking person.

407
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,159
Who can take things
to the next level.

408
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,519
We saw the abuse
of children getting younger

409
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,839
and getting more violent.

410
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,119
Probably it was out there,
you know, ten years ago,

411
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,959
but now we saw it all in one place.

412
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,640
And with this anonymous network...

413
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,199
...they were hiding nothing.

414
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,279
They felt free to say
whatever they wanted.

415
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,400
And that's frightening.

416
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,039
We needed to be in there.

417
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,759
We needed to try to find out how
we could infiltrate these networks,

418
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,520
how we could disrupt them.

419
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,399
What could be done to take on

420
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,079
a group of 100,000 guys

421
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,039
with the resources we had?

422
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,120
Which, you know, to this day,
remain very small.

423
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,879
This was really the beginning
of having dedicated

424
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,519
online undercover officers

425
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,759
that would function full-time,

426
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,800
being part of these communities.

427
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,839
A lot of undercover work,
which Greg took the lion's share of,

428
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,840
being able to be accepted by such
a group is a pretty heavy task.

429
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,280
It's like going undercover
with the mob or something.

430
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,280
Face-to-face undercover,
there's a lot written about that.

431
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,159
People going into gangs
and going into doing these

432
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,439
really deep undercover roles.

433
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,479
But this was brand-new.

434
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,279
You know, we were entering
and working

435
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,000
in a borderless environment...

436
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,520
...that was operating 24 hours a day.

437
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840
We realised the need for some help.

438
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,799
I remember my first investigation.

439
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,520
My first role,
my first task in this new job...

440
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,919
...was watching several hours

441
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,839
of a kid being raped in a hard way.

442
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,240
It was... really difficult for me.

443
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,279
And it changed me as a person,
as a man, as a father.

444
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,479
It changed me.

445
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,639
Then that's when Jetboys,
Bap and Gap came online.

446
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,319
I think that's the first time we see
the Russian sort of...

447
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,799
We establish a network
with different investigators.

448
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,159
And it's easy to send a message
to someone like Greg

449
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,280
and all the other Gregs
that I know around the world.

450
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,560
It takes a network
to defeat another network.

451
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,479
Globally, we were all trying
to find our way,

452
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,999
trying to find a strategy

453
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,559
so that we were focusing
on the most violent offenders,

454
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,680
the most dangerous offenders.

455
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,920
In 2015, a dark website opened
up called Babyheart.

456
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,919
Babyheart was a board on the darknet

457
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,479
dedicated to babies and toddlers,

458
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,119
pictures and movies of babies
and toddlers being abused.

459
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,999
Contents, the pictures
with the babies was terrible.

460
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,479
A guy named Twinkle was the
self-professed operator of the site.

461
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,839
Naturally, he became a person
of great interest to all of us.

462
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,959
He was not just the administrator,
but a major contributor.

463
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,959
Twinkle was the worst person
on the darknet

464
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,280
regarding the crime of child abuse.

465
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,439
There was times
when he was contributing

466
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,559
almost an unbelievable amount
of material.

467
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,759
I think it was somewhere between
12 and 15 children at that point

468
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,079
that we could attribute
to this one guy.

469
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,800
And to watch somebody...

470
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,680
...abuse, rape...

471
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,240
...a baby, erm...

472
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,080
...there's nothing human about it.

473
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,679
That became an instant focus
for our online undercover work.

474
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,279
We started to work with Interpol,

475
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,519
Homeland Security
from the United States,

476
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,519
Australia, England, Spain, France.

477
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,440
Everybody was chasing Twinkle.

478
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,439
Babyheart went from a couple
thousand to 100,000 members.

479
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,279
But trying to work on
the identification of Twinkle

480
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,879
was difficult.

481
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,479
The paranoia in this community
is ever present.

482
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,399
There really is no
letting your guard down.

483
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,959
Twinkle used several manoeuvres

484
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,560
to cover their tracks
on the darknet.

485
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,279
He was writing in
different languages

486
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,279
like French, Spanish,
Portuguese, English.

487
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,559
In those chats
that were written in English,

488
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,519
he used an expression, he said,

489
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,959
"It cost me the eyes of my face."

490
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,199
It's a Portuguese expression.

491
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,359
It's not an expression
that you can use in English.

492
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,479
It was the first clue about
the nationality of Twinkle.

493
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,800
TANNOY ANNOUNCEMENT

494
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,279
Our Brazilian partners
had arrested a guy

495
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,320
that had had a relationship
online with Twinkle.

496
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,439
When this guy was arrested,

497
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,879
they seized a lot of evidence
during a house search.

498
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,120
What they found was a link
to a Facebook page in Portugal.

499
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,280
That is what, in fact,
broke open the case.

500
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,799
Some of the pictures that we had
of Twinkle abusing the children,

501
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,079
we could see his hand,

502
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,639
and his hand had a skin condition.

503
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,599
And once we started
that deep dive on that page,

504
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,399
we saw a few pictures
of that individual's hand.

505
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,079
The pattern, the colour of the skin,

506
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,960
we had a match.

507
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,879
We felt comfortable enough
to get a team together

508
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,360
to head down to Portugal.

509
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,999
Greg was part of the team

510
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,079
that was supporting us
with his knowledge,

511
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,360
his experience dealing
with these kind of offenders.

512
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,120
On our way to Twinkle's place...

513
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,200
...it was possible to feel
the tension inside the car.

514
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,760
It was six in the morning.

515
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,200
I remembered my heart, like,
beating a lot.

516
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,560
My main concern, it was finding
and seizing his hard drives.

517
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,559
Because we are not
talking about files.

518
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,079
We are not talking
about digital evidence.

519
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,000
We are talking about victims.

520
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,239
We approached his residence.

521
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,760
You know, pretty country road,
farms here and there.

522
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,920
And Twinkle's house was on the
right-hand side as we approached.

523
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,240
A place you would pass
by in a heartbeat.

524
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,919
We stopped the car.

525
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,000
Everybody jumped out of the car.

526
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,240
We saw the door and it was
the perfect time to enter.

527
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,639
In the second room on the right
we found Twinkle.

528
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,159
Twinkle was in his bed,

529
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,400
laying with two kids,
around five years, in the time.

530
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,399
We grabbed Twinkle.

531
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,760
He was taken away from the kids
to a different room.

532
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,080
I remember his face.

533
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,800
He was surprised.

534
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,759
You can imagine a skinny guy,

535
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,799
around 25, 26 years old,

536
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,480
scared.

537
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,919
And, you know, in a certain way,

538
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,199
fragile.

539
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,239
Like, these guys, they have
a perfect world in the darknet,

540
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:43,679
but in real life,

541
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,799
they are not that strong.

542
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,279
They are weak persons.

543
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,240
That's why they do this to
the victims, because they are weak.

544
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,320
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS

545
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,919
We started collecting evidence
inside the house.

546
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,760
Pretty spartan living quarters,
despite the size of it all.

547
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,839
Twinkle was pretty agreeable
to talk to us.

548
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,399
He'd sit next to me
showing me his site.

549
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,399
But the forensic team had isolated
one desktop computer

550
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,879
that they felt was the primary.

551
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,160
The problem was
the hard drive was gone.

552
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,719
I asked him,

553
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,639
"Where is the hard drive?"

554
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,919
And he told me, "It's not in here.

555
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,320
"Follow me."

556
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,480
He was entering
deeper in the bushes.

557
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:57,239
I said to him,
"Slowly, walk slowly,"

558
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:02,279
because we didn't know if someone
was hidden in here to support him,

559
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,920
or if there was something
that he can use against us.

560
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,800
I told him, "Don't try to escape
because we will chase you."

561
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,159
And then,

562
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,040
around here, we made
a turn to the right.

563
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,120
He pointed.

564
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,199
He grab a plastic bag

565
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,800
with the hard drives inside.

566
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,200
I didn't believe
that it was hidden...

567
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,039
...buried here
in the middle of nothing

568
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,440
and really far away from his home.

569
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,239
It was buried a couple of hours
before we arrived.

570
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,839
He abused the kids that were
in his bed with him,

571
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,439
and he took some pictures,
made some movies

572
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,799
and he stored everything
on the hard drive.

573
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,679
And he came here
in the middle of the night

574
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,240
and buried again,
the hard drives.

575
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,439
As the search continued

576
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,279
and questions were being asked
of Twinkle,

577
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,119
we went out to look at his car.

578
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,119
And when we opened
the trunk of the car,

579
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,679
looked like Twinkle
was leaving for the weekend.

580
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,999
There was some kids' toys,

581
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,199
like, some pool toys in the car,

582
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,719
cameras, there was handcuffs,

583
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,839
sex toys.

584
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,159
And what he ended up admitting was
that he had a weekend planned,

585
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,120
and that he was leaving
that morning...

586
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,279
...to go meet another offender,

587
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,079
and that they had
organised this weekend

588
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,439
to bring each other's children
to this Airbnb,

589
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,239
to have a weekend of,

590
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,719
of abusing all the kids together.

591
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:28,760
Um...

592
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,799
No, this was completely,

593
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,639
completely new to me
and everybody that was there.

594
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,999
You know, there was a
pretty experienced group there

595
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,240
and this was certainly the
first time for all of us to go...

596
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,400
...you know...

597
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,399
They had a planned weekend to,

598
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,600
you know, sexually abuse babies,
you know.

599
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,759
So, the team sort
of got a plan together.

600
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,440
I think it was about an hour away.

601
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,079
The guy showed up
pretty much on time.

602
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,039
The primary police officers went
and removed him from the vehicle.

603
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,359
And when they looked in the back,

604
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,759
his two kids were in the back.

605
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,880
He decided to start confessing
shortly thereafter.

606
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,640
Told us he was the one
that they call The Forgotten.

607
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,240
THUNDER RUMBLES

608
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,600
Humanity is changing.

609
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,399
You can see the sexuality
is changing,

610
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,519
and the internet is increasing
this type of crime.

611
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,720
Because we always
had sexual offenders...

612
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,439
...but now we have
a specific part of society

613
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,440
that wants to share with the others
the abuses that they commit.

614
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,919
And sharing with
the rest of the community

615
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,119
that you can see
what I have done to these kids.

616
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,800
And I cannot understand this.

617
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,799
Twinkle's material
was brutal to look at

618
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,400
and equally brutal to listen to.

619
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,879
Any video...

620
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,279
HE SIGHS

621
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,359
...especially with audio
of the infant abuses,

622
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,640
is the hardest stuff to watch.

623
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,679
Someone else from another country
dealing with this crime,

624
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,240
you know that that person have
the same issues that you have.

625
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,840
And Greg have that issues for sure.

626
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,159
Because it's too much.

627
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,320
It's too much every day, every day.

628
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,559
It's not a bad week

629
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,439
or a bad day at the office.

630
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,160
It's a bad life.

631
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,760
Hi.

632
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,999
The problem is the availability
of it, right?

633
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,879
If I'm an undercover gang guy,

634
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,359
like, I have to put on my ve...

635
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,599
- Like, you have to, like,
kind of get ready, right?
- Yeah.

636
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,519
- Like, there's a, there's a...
- A ritual.
- A ritual to it, right?

637
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,719
I don't have that barrier.

638
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,319
So all I have to do
is turn on my computer

639
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,639
and I'm that other person.

640
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,760
And...

641
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,559
...each time you flip open
the laptop, you're in that world

642
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,840
and you're having conversations
with people about just the most...

643
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,360
...horrible stuff.

644
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,280
And then, you can close
the laptop...

645
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,559
...and, "Oh, shit, I got to get
to the game."

646
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Come on! Use each other. Let's go!

647
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,039
- Nice.
- Oh, nice pass.

648
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,279
Oh, geez, this kid.

649
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,359
So in a matter of moments,
you can go from

650
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,879
really, really evil human

651
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,959
to cheering for your kid
at their game,

652
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,399
or going to their school,

653
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,879
or going to get ice cream,

654
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,800
and watch some guy hug his daughter
and be like...

655
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,240
You know, it's...

656
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,479
It certainly came
with some collateral

657
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200
that we didn't see in the beginning.

658
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,120
I go to some special places.

659
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,639
When I come there, I can

660
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,759
switch off my mind
from the daily job,

661
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,319
from the everything
that I saw during the day.

662
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,719
And it's easy to be
a different person,

663
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:02,239
or at least to try to be
a different person.

664
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,919
Because in the end,

665
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,279
the ghosts, they will always be
in our mind.

666
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,400
It's impossible to send them away.

667
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,840
The challenge...

668
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,720
...is living with them.

669
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,800
Oh, fuck.

670
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,680
Oh.

671
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,719
Sorry.

672
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:33,920
Oh, fuck.

673
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,439
Ah.

674
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,760
- OK?
- Yes.

675
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,720
Yeah.

676
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,880
Oh, fuck.

677
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,480
OK.

678
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,920
I'm back.

679
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,959
After the arrest of Twinkle,

680
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,479
we thought maybe at least it would
give pause to Babyheart.

681
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,199
You know, that was
the objective, right?

682
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,879
To take this kind of site offline.

683
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,599
But when we asked Twinkle,

684
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,479
"How do we take it down?
How do we shut it down?"

685
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,999
I mean, he was like,
"I can't do that.

686
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,959
"You know, that's Lubasa."

687
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,079
And so we pressed him a little bit,
you know, "Who's Lubasa?"

688
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,959
And, you know, he just said,
"I just know him as Lubasa.

689
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,999
"He's not a guy who talks a lot.

690
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,120
"He just is the big boss."

691
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,080
Lubasa, his name had been around
for a number of years.

692
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:43,199
We knew Lubasa to have
up to six different sites

693
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,719
kind of under his overall control.

694
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,039
Maybe half a million users.

695
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,439
We had been compiling little bits
and pieces on him

696
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,679
to build kind of a dossier up.

697
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,079
Through that, we started to get
closer and closer to him.

698
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,439
The break came from another agency

699
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,559
and they came to the working group
and said,

700
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,280
"Hey, listen, you know,
we think we know who it is."

701
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,999
We ended up going to Brazil.

702
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,919
We flew down there with maybe
10 or 12 people,

703
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,359
US law enforcement,
folks from the UK.

704
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,999
I was there to offer
an undercover's viewpoint

705
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,080
on how the sites were operated.

706
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,359
Lubasa was on a whole other level.

707
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,879
If we get to him, we would have
access to whatever's happening

708
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,999
for him as kind of overlord.

709
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,079
It would give us, for the first
time, a glance from the top down.

710
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,040
LOUD BANGING

711
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,000
POLICE RADIO CHATTER

712
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,080
INDISTINCT SPEECH

713
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Lubasa was asleep when they went in.

714
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,839
They roused him,

715
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,000
and he was a little uncooperative
in the beginning.

716
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,279
He was a young guy, you know,
under 30 years old.

717
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,639
The type of person we are arresting

718
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,360
are now getting younger and younger,
you know?

719
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,679
They grew up with a phone,
they grew up with a laptop,

720
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,719
they grew up with a computer.

721
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:18,599
More often working in the IT field -

722
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,599
web developer, software engineer.

723
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,279
I mean, that's a total...

724
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,319
That's a skill set that we never saw
even ten years ago.

725
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,519
They spend 40, 50, 60 hours online.

726
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,560
This was life for this guy.

727
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,160
On the dark web. Lubasa was
the master puppeteer, sort of say.

728
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,919
But in reality, his day-to-day life,

729
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,600
somebody living in, basically,
in squalor.

730
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,639
And yet, here's this couple
thousand dollar machine

731
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,360
running the abuse of...

732
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,520
...10,000 or more, you know,
child victims.

733
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,000
Move in now.

734
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,959
Thousands of leads were sent out
to locate and arrest individuals

735
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,079
who had been part
of Lubasa's network.

736
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,399
Police with a warrant!
Come to the door!

737
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,280
You know, individuals on his sites
are viewing child abuse material.

738
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,639
And even if that person has not
had their hands on children,

739
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,839
they are the reason the sites exist.

740
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,519
They're causing the demand.

741
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,919
They're encouraging those
who have access.

742
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,759
They are as big a part
of the problem by driving others

743
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,800
to commit offences
on their own children.

744
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,839
These offenders know everything
about security.

745
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,920
They are technically savvy.

746
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,759
And they're always going to be
making changes to try to elude

747
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,479
law enforcement.

748
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,839
But thanks to our online
undercover work,

749
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,519
we were getting things done
that years before

750
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,959
you wouldn't have thought possible.

751
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,079
Making arrests and, you know,
just making a huge difference.

752
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,560
You know, that's an adrenaline rush
that... it's hard to match.

753
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:38,599
You know, at that point,
my kids were a bit older

754
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,679
and, you know, very independent,
very successful young people.

755
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,639
And, you know, that almost
enables you to push harder.

756
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,360
Like, I worked ten hours today.
I bet I can work 12.

757
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,959
I bet if I get up
at three this morning,

758
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,040
I can surprise somebody online
and I can get something else done.

759
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,159
You just push yourself, and
push yourself, and push yourself.

760
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,279
And you're rewarded
because that shit works.

761
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,680
It is effective.

762
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,239
But meanwhile, personally,

763
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,440
you know, you're kind of losing...

764
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,960
...who was I?

765
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Who's Greg?

766
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,920
I don't... I don't even know
what he likes to do.

767
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,439
All of your friends
all during the day

768
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,719
are the criminals, you know?
They're paedophiles.

769
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,160
All they do is talk about...

770
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,279
...the most horrific things
all day long.

771
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,919
And when that's over,

772
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,840
close the laptop
and you look around...

773
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,160
...and it's just you.

774
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,079
It was easy at the time, you know,

775
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,920
to pick up a glass
or bottle or whatever it was.

776
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,759
And you don't think about you
when you're having some drinks,

777
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,999
you know? It's easy just to go,

778
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,559
"All right, the sooner tomorrow
starts, the better off I am,

779
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,080
"because tomorrow
I get back to work."

780
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,479
You know, I definitely had
a time when,

781
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,240
when alcohol was a bigger part
of my life than it should have been.

782
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,359
Numbing yourself
for a number of hours

783
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,960
is not a solution.

784
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,159
We had been running at a heavy pace.

785
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,119
There was no other focus
than the job.

786
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,640
It's very easy to go to some
dark places, I think.

787
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,439
Pete's my best friend, you know?

788
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,119
And your best friends can see things
that others can't.

789
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,079
And they can see
those little changes.

790
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,880
And we had a talk
or maybe a dozen talks, I think.

791
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,360
I noticed things that were
obviously affecting him.

792
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,959
Definitely unfocused anger at times
that seemed out of place.

793
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,239
Uncharacteristic.

794
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,160
It just turned into like...

795
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Turned darker, I guess.

796
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,399
It's hard when the thing that brings
you so much energy and drive

797
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,440
is also the thing that's,
like, slowly destroying you.

798
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,279
Not too long after, I got divorced,

799
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,439
and just a lot of things
were happening,

800
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,120
you know, in my own head space.

801
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,199
I think the hardest part of that

802
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,440
was, I guess, admitting it.

803
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,759
And I remember calling up
my sister Robin.

804
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,719
We went out into the back yard
where I was living,

805
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,719
and we sat there

806
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:09,320
and it took me a good
four or five minutes to say...

807
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,239
...you know, I think,

808
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,040
I think I'm suffering
from pretty bad depression.

809
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,759
HE SIGHS

810
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,919
I think I was ashamed, you know?

811
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,199
I think I felt shame that
I had kind of succumbed to that.

812
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,919
You're supposed to be
bulletproof, right?

813
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,759
You work in a space where horrible
things happen every day

814
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,319
and you need to stand resolute
every day

815
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,319
and just be, you know,

816
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,880
be tough or whatever bullshit
we tell ourselves.

817
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:49,439
And that was a big... a big step in,
I think, moving forward.

818
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,400
I stopped drinking at that point.

819
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,280
Mostly out of fear.

820
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,880
I think my birthday
was the last day...

821
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,879
...I had a drink that year.

822
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,000
And I just...

823
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,120
I had actually opened a beer,
and I remember...

824
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,999
...having a few sips of it
and then just putting it down.

825
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,399
And that was it for two full years.

826
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,919
I just... That was, that was that.

827
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,839
And I needed to try to focus on

828
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,720
getting my head straight.

829
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,680
And a lot of that was for my kids,
you know?

830
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,040
I didn't ever want to be...

831
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,999
...you know, someone,

832
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,440
I guess that, you know,
they weren't proud of.

833
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,239
Yeah, that was a lot
of my motivation

834
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:59,560
to get started, to get better.

835
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,400
-
- Um...

836
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,680
- You said you were are fearful.
- Yeah.

837
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,999
What do you mean?

838
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,040
Suicide.

839
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,759
I just didn't want it.

840
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,080
I didn't want to have those thoughts
any more, you know?

841
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,719
I didn't want to hide from the pain.

842
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:33,960
I didn't want to run from the pain.

843
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:38,360
I just...

844
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,599
I didn't want to leave them behind,
you know? I didn't want to

845
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,360
end things that way.

846
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,799
Because I wasn't winning.
You know what I mean?

847
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,199
I wasn't winning by myself.

848
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,399
It just wasn't... it just wasn't
going to happen.

849
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,040
It wasn't going to be a...

850
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,639
...a fight that I was going to win.

851
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,839
And if I didn't, if I didn't lean,
reach out

852
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,120
and talk to Robin,
talk to Pete...

853
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,480
HE SIGHS

854
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,639
You know, maybe be in a bad place.

855
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,640
And I just didn't want to be there.

856
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,719
It is funny to think about,
like, kind of diving in

857
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,719
with the case of
looking at the one image

858
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,199
and then getting it going...

859
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,359
Pete kind of stepped in
where I needed him to.

860
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,879
You know, I thank him.
I'll always thank him

861
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,360
for getting me away from a place
that was kind of dangerous.

862
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,519
And I feel very, very fortunate
to work with all my friends

863
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,999
across the globe
and to have them to lean on

864
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,480
and say, "Hey, man, it's OK."

865
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,959
One of the worst guys that was not
captured after Lubasa's arrest

866
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,919
was a user that went by LBO,
or Lover Boy Only.

867
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,559
And you know, he and I had
had interactions over the years.

868
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,479
He was a boy lover.

869
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,679
He always loved things more violent,

870
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,559
more on the rough side of things.

871
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,799
A lot of rape, bondage,
things like that.

872
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,999
And even other users were going,
you know,

873
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,439
"What's wrong with this guy?"

874
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,119
You know, he's talking about
some really, really violent

875
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,480
and extreme things.

876
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,479
LBO got the attention
of the community

877
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,160
right around November 11th, 2020.

878
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,759
He was making a claim
that he had kidnapped a boy.

879
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,239
And I...was online that day

880
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,399
and had read some of the comments
around it.

881
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,079
And, you know, we read
those with a grain of salt.

882
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,159
It's not uncommon for users
to talk that way

883
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,319
and to get kind of...
go down those paths.

884
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,119
And LBO, you know, he was asked,
you know, like,

885
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,519
"Yeah, I'm sure you did this."

886
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,639
You know, "Bullshit.
Stop fucking around."

887
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,599
You know, "It's not funny,"
or whatever the reactions were.

888
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,439
But LBO took it upon himself

889
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,120
to provide a proof of life picture.

890
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,679
And this is a boy
who's clearly in distress.

891
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,319
I can see his face clear as day -
a blond-haired boy.

892
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,120
That really made my heart
start to race.

893
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,439
We knew LBO to speak
English and Russian.

894
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,519
Probably more likely,
you know, somebody from Russia

895
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,719
or one of... maybe the Ukraine
or something to that effect.

896
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,199
There was no doubt in my mind
who, you know,

897
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,760
who I was going to reach out to,
like, straight away.

898
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,759
I gave him a description of the boy.

899
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,679
I said, you know, maybe six,
seven years old, blond hair.

900
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,999
I would know who he is
if he's in fact, you know,

901
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,800
a kid that's missing.

902
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,679
There's a real boy missing.

903
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,719
The description lines up,

904
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,479
the timing lines up,

905
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,959
and you just go, "Holy shit.

906
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,040
"This boy is somewhere
with this monster."

907
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,640
The boy that had been missing
for over 50 days at that point.

908
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,600
It's a terrifying thought.

909
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,919
Ivan had told us that that they had
called off the search October 11th

910
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,679
and that they were just looking
for the boy's body.

911
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,759
And, you know, now, we had called,

912
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,839
you know, relatively out of
the blue and said, you know,

913
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,679
we think he's alive.

914
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,439
While we breathe life into
the investigation there,

915
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,439
we also knew just how
dangerous LBO was.

916
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,840
And that was nerve-racking.

917
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,279
For me, and I think for everybody,

918
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,599
it was the incredible pressure

919
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,280
to try to find him
as fast as possible.

920
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,599
You know, Ivan doesn't work
dark web cases, he's a street cop.

921
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,039
You know, he's boots on the ground
kind of guy.

922
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,959
We knew we were going to need some
serious resources to get this done

923
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,399
and, you know, those resources
certainly included large data sets,

924
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,639
large databases that Interpol holds.

925
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,320
And, you know, one of my favourite
people in the world is Gordana.

926
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,039
I received a message from Greg

927
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,360
asking me for help.

928
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,079
I know Greg long time.

929
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,919
We work together.

930
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,039
Greg knows that I speak Russian.

931
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,759
Gordana is an analyst
and has worked,

932
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,559
you know, many, many
child abuse cases in the past.

933
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,160
It was too easy to pick up the phone
and get her involved.

934
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:44,240
-
- Can you tell me what
information you had to start with?

935
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,799
Lover Boy Only.

936
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,240
LBO.

937
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,120
Username. I have only username.

938
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:59,400
And information that this username
maybe kidnapped a boy.

939
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,399
I start working on this case

940
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,640
and nothing else except the work.

941
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,079
Everything disappeared

942
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,879
because I know that

943
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,560
probably life of this kid
is in our hands.

944
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,799
I check our database in Interpol.

945
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,279
We have huge amount of digital files

946
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,959
shared by Brazilian police

947
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,679
when they arrest Lubasa.

948
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:40,359
And I found more
than 13,000 digital files

949
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,839
connected with Lover Boy Only.

950
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,279
Photos, links, messages,

951
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,759
posts on forums.

952
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,199
So I was reading all the comments,

953
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,440
searching anything that
can lead us to this guy.

954
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,479
You know,
from an undercover perspective,

955
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,279
a lot of our job was doing kind
of round the clock observation,

956
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,159
observe the community,
see what occurred.

957
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,519
We were in literal constant contact

958
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,079
20-plus hours a day.

959
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,959
I'm not sure Gordana
was even sleeping, to be honest.

960
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,999
All of us was in
different time zones.

961
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,559
But even if it's night
in the US and Russia

962
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,639
and I sent a message,
I get reply immediately.

963
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,239
So because of that,
I realised we are all not sleeping.

964
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,520
We didn't even think about sleeping.

965
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,079
I just think we must find him.

966
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,640
We must find him...

967
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,960
...because he will kill him.

968
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:11,039
We weren't under the illusion
that LBO would do anything

969
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,999
but kill this boy.

970
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,319
He'd been talking about
that stuff for years -

971
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,120
kidnapping and killing a boy.

972
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,000
MACHINERY GRINDS

973
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,559
These users,
they very care about security.

974
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,839
Because of that,
it was very difficult to find him.

975
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,919
But they made a mistake.

976
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,240
And we are hunting
for these mistakes all the time.

977
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,039
Gordana built a profile on this guy,

978
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,239
and there was three little
nuggets of information

979
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:52,639
that were really interesting.

980
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,199
The first one was that

981
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,079
LBO seemed to suffer
from schizophrenia.

982
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,879
Now, in Russia,

983
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,839
people that have
diagnosed schizophrenia

984
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,279
actually are entitled to a pension,

985
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,719
some compensation every month
from the government.

986
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,840
That would be something that Ivan
and their team could look into.

987
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,919
The other point that they found

988
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,679
was he talked quite a bit
about his brother's occupation,

989
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,599
and it was an occupation
that probably could be checked

990
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,360
in databases there in Russia.

991
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:32,759
And then the third point
was LBO had a conversation

992
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,040
with another person about his mother
being killed in a car accident.

993
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,879
And actually had a date,
a year rather,

994
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,880
that that car accident
had occurred.

995
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,880
GLASS SMASHES

996
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,280
BANGING

997
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,240
SMASHING, BANGING

998
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,760
DRILL WHIRS

999
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,680
OFFICERS SHOUT

1000
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,759
It's really easy to remember
every single piece of this,

1001
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,880
because it was such a...
such a wild...

1002
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,640
...a wild minute in my life.

1003
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,240
Ivan sent me a message and said...

1004
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,439
..."We have the boy. He's safe."

1005
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:55,800
Um...

1006
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,679
Fucking awesome, you know?

1007
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,040
It was just, just the...

1008
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:06,679
...just the best news that I think
I had received, you know?

1009
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,559
And just staring at my phone,

1010
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,719
looking at that message

1011
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,279
and I fucking, I looked at Pete
there, and I said,

1012
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,679
"They fucking found him."

1013
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,959
It almost took your breath away,
you know?

1014
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,920
That's how intense it was.

1015
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,640
It was maybe...

1016
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,439
...three in the morning

1017
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:31,000
and I just wake up
in a little bit panic.

1018
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,920
I grabbed my phone...

1019
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,880
...take a look, and I see
my colleague holding the boy.

1020
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,759
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT

1021
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,280
Um...

1022
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,280
No words to explain this moment.

1023
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,560
You know, and seeing that picture
of his parents hugging him.

1024
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,560
Yeah. It's just...

1025
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,599
Kind of makes you think of, like,
when you hug your own kids,

1026
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,159
you know, and you...

1027
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,079
It just brings a totally different
value to that, you know?

1028
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,119
And to know that they're safe and
to know that they're in your arms,

1029
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,480
I mean...

1030
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,320
Those parents were told a month
earlier that their son was dead...

1031
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,679
...and that, you know,
there was no more hope,

1032
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,680
and there they were,
holding him on the train.

1033
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,960
Maybe the most special moment,
you know, in my career.

1034
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,999
I know I've come, like,
a good distance from where I was

1035
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,279
at any given, like, dark moment.

1036
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,799
You know, I spent years
hiding how I was feeling.

1037
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,640
Like...

1038
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:25,879
...I'm pretty decent at lying
and telling, you know,

1039
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,919
wearing a different mask, and then,

1040
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,519
"Hey, everything's fine.
Everything's cool. No big deal.

1041
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,479
"Like, let's go do something."

1042
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,679
I've kind of come to,

1043
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,439
to terms with or peace with, like,

1044
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:42,239
this isn't something
you carry by yourself.

1045
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,399
This isn't something
I carry about myself.

1046
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,559
There might be some super soldier
out there that can do it.

1047
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,000
It's just not me.

1048
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,120
Ooh-hoo-hoo!

1049
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,439
Today, I have a conscious effort
about recognising

1050
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,799
what's going on that's good.

1051
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,759
HE LAUGHS
So beautiful!

1052
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,559
Like, every moment with my kids.

1053
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,760
I'm truly thankful for that stuff.

1054
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,759
I believe in this mission
beyond 100%

1055
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,799
and I believe in the people
and I believe in, you know,

1056
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,759
we can make a difference.

1057
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,080
But I want to be able to continue
making a difference.

1058
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,839
What little sacrifices I feel
like I've made over the years,

1059
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,000
I would do it again,
over and over again.

1060
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:43,240
I couldn't see myself
doing anything else.

1061
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,799
I feel honoured to be part of
the team that can make a difference.

1062
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,399
Instead of watching it on TV
or hearing about it and going,

1063
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,199
"Shit, that's fucking awful,"

1064
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,560
I'd rather be right in there
in the fight trying to stop it.

1065
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,679
I told you a little bit about
the bricks, the brick thing.

1066
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,319
I've known about the brick thing
since the beginning.

1067
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,079
- You did, yeah.
- Yeah.

1068
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,759
Like, the whole idea of even being
able to have this conversation

1069
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,919
someday is... still, like,
feels super surreal.

1070
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,239
- Yeah.
- Like, it feels like a miracle
in a way.
- Yeah.

1071
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,559
I am incredibly lucky to have
a good support system right now

1072
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,239
while I'm dealing with this.

1073
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,159
I have more stability.

1074
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,799
I'm able to have the energy
to talk to people,

1075
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:58,159
which, I could not have done this
even, like, a couple of years ago.

1076
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,679
No, you just move on and deserve
to live, like,

1077
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,079
a fucking awesome life.

1078
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,399
I would love to work
on being a functional person.

1079
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,759
Memory loss is a big part
of these things,

1080
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,119
and I just don't remember
a lot of it,

1081
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,479
which is fine with me.

1082
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,119
Yeah, right.

1083
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:20,439
But, like, at that point,

1084
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:21,839
I was praying,

1085
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,879
praying actively for it to end.

1086
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,479
I had been, at that point,
for years.

1087
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:31,760
- But not to sound cliche,
but it was a prayer answered.
- Yeah.

1088
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,639
Sounds weird, I'm sure, but you wish
there was some telepathy

1089
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,319
and you could reach out and be like,
"Listen, we're coming."

1090
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,720
- Yeah.
- Like, it does sound cheesy,
but, like...

1091
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,399
...that's the genuine feeling when
you're in the middle of those things

1092
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,559
and you just want to, like,
reach out and go,

1093
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,680
"Well, fuck it, we're going
to get there."